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Book reviews by me. Email me at alan at gmail dot com. March 31, Poly marriage or poly freedom?

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With the Supreme Court now deliberating two gay-marriage cases, there's lots of new speculation across the political spectrum about whether polygamy and polyamorous marriages are next. The usual slippery-slopers have their say.

For instance, this is from a CNN. Anderson of the Heritage Foundation: Gay Marriage, then Group Marriage But so could three or more in the increasingly common phenomenon of group "polyamorous" partnerships. In that case, to recognize opposite-sex unions but not same-sex or polyamorous ones would be unfair — a denial of equality. There's lots more like that, often less civil. But the less hostile are also taking a look. My last post linked to a long VICE article that asked many actual sources close to the polygamy and polyamory worlds and quoted my own skepticism Desireous of bisexual wife for poly relationship the practicalities of state-sanctioned group marriages.

Utah bans multiple pol regardless of whether the people claim to be married. The Browns are not seeking state recognition for their plural marriage, they're seeking to have it not be criminal. But Turley spoke in wide-ranging terms on National Public Radio a couple Meet people for sex harviell missouri days ago: Turley said that polygamy is now where gay marriage relatoinship a decade ago, when the Supreme Court decided Lawrence Desireous of bisexual wife for poly relationship.

Texas, which stopped states from prohibiting sexual acts between same-sex couples. The implication is that polygamy will move forward in time. I think there's a grander more magnificent trend that can seen in the law and that is this right to be left alone," Turley said.

Among the member Polyamory Leadership Network PLNa long fof got going on whether people want state recognition of multiple marriage or not. The general feeling was that we would prefer less government role in marriage and relationships overall, rather than a new category of state recognition, regulation, and inevitably control.

Desireous of bisexual wife for poly relationship instance, people argued that DDesireous to health care should not depend on being married, never mind whether to one person or three. Your boss shouldn't have the power to threaten you over your family structure whether you're with a person of the same sex, two, or none.

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Child custody should depend on the best interests of the child, not the adults' documents or a judge's animus. Some PLNers disagreed, polt many felt that this approach to poly rights — better Rooseveltown NY adult personals and justice for all, rather than ushering another small group through the marriage-privilege gate — makes more sense to pursue and would appeal to broad swaths of society, such as singles.

Coming out of this discussion, PLN member and social theorist Angi Becker Stevens has put up an article with a somewhat different view, boldly defending poly marriage aspirations. By Angi Becker Stevens I understand the anger people feel about comparing same-sex relationships to pedophilia and bestiality. But as a polyamorous woman, who honestly would like to one day have the right to legally marry both of my partners, it's disheartening when same-sex marriage advocates respond Sex tonight 25443 this rhetoric by invalidating the idea of multi-partner marriage, insisting that it is nothing at all like same-sex marriage and will Desireous of bisexual wife for poly relationship, ever happen.

I do believe that there are some practical reasons why legal same-sex marriage cannot immediately lead to legal multi-partner marriage. The legal framework of two-party marriage already exists, and it is a simple process to apply the same rights and Desireous of bisexual wife for poly relationship to same-sex couples. Legally defining multi-partner marriage would be a much more complex process with regard to things like taxes, property rights, and child relaitonship.

One of the arguments frequently given by same-sex marriage supporters against multi-partner marriage hinges on what we know of people currently practicing polygamy in a religious context. Polygamy is patriarchal and abusive, the Relationnship says But this brand of polygamy does not resemble my polyamorous relationship any more than a fundamentalist, traditionally-gendered, monogamous marriage resembles a Free adult milf chat not login required that is progressive and egalitarian in nature.

I am frequently surprised and discouraged by the frequency with which arguments against polyamorous marriage — made by supporters of same-sex marriage — resemble classic arguments against gay marriage. And I have Dessireous heard, more times than I can count, the argument that polyamory is not love, merely a sexual practice At the moment, few polyamorous people are really interested in fighting seriously for marriage rights We would be happy just to see our loves and our families treated as valid by a decent portion of society.

What we need is solidarity between all people who are oppressed od marginalized as a result of who they love and how they form families Read the whole article March 28, My own take on slippery-sloping, once again: If you accept the relahionship of civil rights and social acceptance as a slippery slope down, you've lost the debate before you open your mouth.

Slipping on a slope is a painful Dsireous that leads downward. Instead, reframe it Desireous of bisexual wife for poly relationship a stairway up.

Each step is a deliberate, effortful, carefully chosen advance toward a more humane, just, enlightened world. With that framing, you can consider which steps are actually upward, and which ones to take. Or as Tree of Polycamp Northwest once put it, awkwardly, "Giving blacks the vote, women the vote, contraception — it's all a slippery slope to a place of better social justice and acceptance. If you are Desireous of bisexual wife for poly relationship seeing relationship rights and freedoms widened, check out the Family Matters Project of the Woodhull Sexual Freedom Alliance.

Bi Polyamory: Calling a Spade and Spade. a 5 year “thing” with a married man whose wife did not know about it. of honesty and clear communication when entering into a poly relationship. Poly with bisexual males I'm bi and I have found myself in a polyamorous relationship kind of on accident (my wife of 10 years fell in love with her partner when we opened the relationship). Reading through the postings on here has really helped me deal with my feelings about this. I know it's sounds so anti poly but I went through a. Bisexuality and relationships If you had to draw an image of bisexuality, what would it be? Monogamy For a bi person in a monogamous (one partner) relationship, calling themself bisexual says something about their potential to be with either a woman or a man. People who call themselves poly may nevertheless choose to stay monogamous.

The Family Matters Project is "dedicated to advancing, respecting and Desireous of bisexual wife for poly relationship the human right to family by eliminating discrimination based on family structure and relationship choices. And also see the thought-provoking Beyond Marriage statement on this topic. Here's my standard cut-and-paste on this: Same-sex marriage is simple and, from a structural point of view, not legally innovative.

That is, it maps exactly onto the vast legal regime that's already well developed for straight marriage.

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This has been true ever since courts started regarding men and women as equal parties in marriage. By contrast, state recognition and regulation of poly wifw would require many new legal structures, precedents, and policies. How would the law mandate, for instance, property rights and responsibilities in partial poly divorces?

What about the rights and responsibilities of marriages that merge into pre-existing marriages?

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Setting default laws for multiple inheritance in the absence of a will, allocating Social Security benefits And because there are many different basic kinds of poly relationships, compared to only one basic kind of couple marriage, each would need its Anahola women for sex legal regime — and we know how good Desireous of bisexual wife for poly relationship state is at sorting out complicated personal realities.

Moreover, unlike couple marriages, poly relationships can change from one kind to another kind while continuing to exist. An equilateral triad can become a vee or vice versa, or something in between.

The flexibility to adapt — to "let your relationships be biesxual they are" — is a core value in the poly circles I know. How would the state keep up with your particular situation?

I've also heard it argued that opportunities would abound for unscrupulous people to game the system in ways that the law couldn't easily address: For instance, could gang members group-marry to gain immunity from each other's testimony?

In polyfolks' discussions Desireous of bisexual wife for poly relationship I've been in, the talk comes around instead to business-partnership models for poly households, such as subchapter-S corporations or family LLCs or LLPs. These are Swingers Personals in Talbotton well developed to handle a wide variety of contractual agreements between any number of people.

Though they have to be maintained properly, with formal annual meetings and such, or they lose their validity. Good law follows reality rather than precedes it.

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Fifty years from now when poly households are commonplace and their issues are well understood, I'm sure an appropriate body of law will have grown up to handle the issues that arise. At least that's how it works Desireous of bisexual wife for poly relationship civil society is allowed to go about its business, free of religious or ideological compulsion. VICE is an large news-and-culture magazine, both print and online, somewhat countercultural with a young readership. It's distributed free in 28 countries and claims 1 million readers a month.

An editor of its US edition asked me whether I thought a movement for legal poly marriage would follow on the heels of gay marriage. I said no, and explained my thoughts on why.

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His article is now up; I'm quoted in it twice. But Desireous of bisexual wife for poly relationship two men or two women can get married, what's stopping two men and two women from getting hitched? Stanley Kurtz Desireous of bisexual wife for poly relationship that argument nearly ten years ago in The Weekly Standard, and it got brought up again in several briefs filed this week with the Supreme Court by anti-gay marriage advocates. It goes like this: Actually, yeah — why are polyamorous marriages between consenting adults illegal?

We make our commitments in our own way. Gay marriage maps exactly onto the vast, existing legal regime that has been developed for hetero couple marriage. What about the rights and responsibilities of marriage that merge into preexisting marriages?

Setting default laws for multiple inheritance in the absence of Kingman free discrete sex will, allocating Social Security benefits… it goes on.

More on this topic coming soon hang on Angi. I also recently got quoted in Starcasm, an online celebrities magazine, in a Poly article they did: Are there any famous polyamorist couples?

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So that you don't have to. I'm talking about ABC's prime-time episode of "Wife Swap" just now, in which a mom from a polyfamily swaps homes for relztionship weeks Fort-totten-ND horny women a mom who's a Religious Right talk show host married to a former state senator from Missouri; they're on God's mission to save America. I steeled myself with a pass-the-popcorn attitude.

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We're first introduced to the two families. The polys have four kids, the Tea Partyers have five. The polyfamily consists of Chris Envy his real namea pro wrestler who works at a warehouse for his day job; his bi wife Angela, and their younger live-in girlfriend Ashley.

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The three sleep together. All care for the kids together. Chris explains at one point how they came to be: There was this party at the house, and Ashley got too drunk to drive home, so she stayed over, and one thing led to another.